Lets talk Health Care/Why we are going to kill old people.

[DW_Bomzin]

Ok so they pay a portion of their income based on their earnings. Not without it's flaws though.

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... oad-japan/

How does the Japanese system provide health care at lower cost than the American system?
BY THE NUMBERS
Japan

* Life expectancy: 83 years
* Infant mortality: 3 per 1,000 live births
* Health spending as a percentage of GDP: 8
* Percentage of health spending that is private: 18
* Doctors per 10,000 people: 21

Source: World Health Organization. U.S. statistics.
A.

Japan has about the lowest per capita health care costs among the advanced nations of the world, and its population is the healthiest. That is largely due to lifestyle factors, such as low rates of obesity and violence, but the widespread availability of high-quality health care is also important. Everyone in Japan is covered by insurance for medical and dental care and drugs. People pay premiums proportional to their income to join the insurance pool determined by their place of work or residence. Insurers do not compete, and they all cover the same services and drugs for the same price, so the paperwork is minimal. Patients freely choose their providers, and doctors freely choose the procedures, tests and medications for their patients.

Reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals are negotiated and set every two years. The fees are quite low, often one-third to one-half of prices in the United States. Relatively speaking, primary care is more profitable than highly specialized care, so Japanese doctors face different incentives than U.S. doctors. As a result, the Japanese are three times more likely than Americans to go to the doctor, but they receive many fewer surgical operations.

So is this more of the co-op approach they have been talking about .

[Savage]

Interesting

[DW_Mobius]

Also if we follow this and the general thoughts . We have private school systems that work better then state sponsored, Do away with government schools ? We have fedex that makes money delivering mail while our postal service looses money , do away with the postal service ? Don't even get me started with government run golf courses . The list is long of things the government does for us that the private sector does better. Hell even our private army's kill better then regular militia and are much more feared .

The government does alot for us and the more I think about blanket statements like that they sound good on the surface until you really start to think about it . Just how far do we run with a statement like that ?

No, there is a huge difference here between the scenario's you've provided and the situation at hand. You can send your child to a public school, or a private school. It's your choice. You can send them by Fedex, UPS, DHL, USPS, again, it's your choice.

With this bill, you won't have a choice where you get your insurance. You can remain on your current plan as long as there are no changes [/emphasize]WHATSOEVER[/e] to it for 5 years. In the end, you WILL get gov't insurance, period.

Let's step back and take a look at this from a financial standpoint.

Nothing is free.

The Obama administration estimates its health reforms will cost as much as $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. Coupled with the $825B stimulus package, the $410B Omnibus bill, is it coincidence the Obama budget nearly triples the national debt over that same period?

Wanna guess who's footing that bill? My bet will be the same ones who can't afford health insurance.

[DW_Damaged]

Wanna guess who's footing that bill? My bet will be the same ones who can't afford health insurance.

Very good point. Someone has to pay back all the goverment money that has already been handed out which will increase the amount you pay in taxes, the cost for food, gas, clothes and all other goods and serivces. Take a min and add up what you will pay over the course of a year and I'll bet you that you will be paying a whole lot more for that than if you were to go out and get your own insurance that everyone says they can't affors. For some reason people think all this great government money is free.

Well heres a NEWS FLASH: The goverment will want that money back and we the people will be the ones who have to pay it back.

BTW, Japan has a good health care system but they also have no Offensive military to fund year after year. Oh wait a min I'm sorry they do have an offensive military it's US and we foot the bill for that as well.

[JulianKingOfNothing]

Come on, you guys are kiddin right? America is doing a good thing for their citizens, they're giving people with no insurance the chance to get healthy.
Example: Bob has no insurance,no money, and has a real nasty flu. So he goes to the doctor,but to bad the doctor cant help him if he doesnt have money. But now with the health-care-plan, bob can get help. So maybe he has to wait a bit in the waitingroom, but he's getting help. Before there was no chance for bob to consult a doctor.

Here in Belgium our health-care is like this: I feel sick, so I visit a doctor. When the doctor is done, he gives me a drug perscription, and a paper that sais how much I've paid. Now I can take that paper to the 'states health insurance provider' and they will return most of my money back. If I pay €25, I will recieve €23,50 back (or so).

[DW_Damaged]

Here in Belgium our health-care is like this: I feel sick, so I visit a doctor. When the doctor is done, he gives me a drug perscription, and a paper that sais how much I've paid. Now I can take that paper to the 'states health insurance provider' and they will return most of my money back. If I pay €25, I will recieve €23,50 back (or so).

It's not a question of paying for a service and getting money back. It's a matter of the outcome of having the goverment make health care affordable and then raise the price of everything we do to pay for it. People seem to think they can afford the Government run health care system but what will they say when they pay $10 for a gallon of milk or there electric/heating bill goes from $200 to $400 a month. The debt this country currently has will never be paid off and if we continue to increase the national debt before you know it you will have Health care but no place to live and then people will want Government housing, then Government transportation, then Government food ect.. ect.. I know we already have a lot of these Government run systems but not for 30-40 million people or for 40-80 million people or for 100 million people.

Right now The Outstanding United States Public Debt as of 26 Aug 2009 at 02:30:41 PM GMT is $11,725,630,231,204.06

The estimated population of the United States is 306,804,895 so each citizen's share of this debt is $38,218.55.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $3.90 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

Where does it end?


BTW, Whats Belgiums?

[JulianKingOfNothing]

BTW, Whats Belgiums?

Belgium = a country in europe, next to germany and france.

[DW_Damaged]

BTW, Whats Belgiums?

Belgium = a country in europe, next to germany and france.

I know what and where Belgium is. My question was what is there Outstanding Public Debt, there estimated population and at what rate is there National Debt increasing each year.

I could Google all of this but I don't feel like it an I doubt it's even close to United States debt. I can guess your population is close to about 9 million people compared to 300 million people here.

[JulianKingOfNothing]

Belgium has +- 11mil people.

Now I just found out that Belgium has more debt than the USA. http://antwerp.wordpress.com/2008/11/14 ... t-figures/


But the people dont have to worry about America's debt, just be happy that Obama is giving health-care to the needy. Even if it rises the taxes slightly, its still beter than paying 400$ a person (of what I read in this topic)

[DW_Damaged]

Belgium has +- 11mil people.

Now I just found out that Belgium has more debt than the USA. http://antwerp.wordpress.com/2008/11/14 ... t-figures/


But the people dont have to worry about America's debt, just be happy that Obama is giving health-care to the needy. Even if it rises the taxes slightly, its still beter than paying 400$ a person (of what I read in this topic)

Wow didn't see that one coming Congrats on beating us!!!