Lets talk Health Care/Why we are going to kill old people.

[-1PARA-Queenie]

Obviously you have no clue Rocket and you know what that doesn't surprise me at all.

LOL wow that was just wow such an awesome well thought out response just like all your other ones. Everyone is basically saying exactly the same as me just a bit more on the subtle side but you single me out, awww thanks I feel so loved :sinlove:


As far as I can see by what you have said you are the one with no clue. To me and several other people that is BLATANTLY obvious about you, by the way you are acting and the things you have said within this thread and others.

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[DW_Damaged]

Once again , your for Medicare , against government sponsored health care

Bomzin, I said weeks ago I have no clue how to fix the problems but I know we all agree it needs to be fixed. Yes I am all for everyone having health care just not sure how to do it. Yes I am against the government doing more than they already do. But hey my opinion is just a thought, a moment in time where I voiced what was on my mind. I do not mandate the law, I do not have a say in what is or will be. My concern is for people who do not have the basic necessities like I do. But there is always going to be a point where some people just don't have everything.

It's sad but true.

[DW_Bomzin]

[mod="DW_Bomzin"]PLEASE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS[/mod]

1 IN 4 with insurance are screwed .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DII7v8yeRjs[/youtube]

[DW_Fry]

Fry my wife and I donate $1000 a year to the VA so please don't assume I don't contribute to anyone.

No, I wasn't saying you don't contribute to anyone, there are many organizations that help many different groups of people, like the VA you're talking about, or specific minorities, or people with certain diseases, or religious organizations... but there are still millions of regular schlubs that don't fall into any of those specific categories to give help to.

I'm just coming at this from the angle of someone who's in the last month gone to the ER coughing up blood and not knowing why, having X-Rays taken of my chest, given no explanation whatsoever on why I'm coughing up blood, then sent to a Psych hospital (when I came to the ER for a physical issue), which then released me 3 hours later with no treatment whatsoever, no follow-up, no medication, no explanation, nothing.

I still have no idea why I was coughing up blood that day, other than what I've inferred from WebMD about my state of dehydration at the time (not being able to keep down any liquids for more than a week), and some other symptoms. I'll just give a thumbs up and assume everything's OK, and move on.

People are led to believe there's help there when you really need it, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Cash is king, even when you're seriously ill.

It just sucks to go from being someone who's worthy of keeping alive, to someone who's on their own... because of a medical condition.

[DW_Damaged]

Rocket, Obviously you have not read all of the posts. We are not posting to criticize people for there ideas or thoughts. If you don't have something to say about the topic please keep your Smart Ass replies to yourself.

[DW_Bomzin]

Once again , your for Medicare , against government sponsored health care

Bomzin, I said weeks ago I have no clue how to fix the problems but I know we all agree it needs to be fixed. Yes I am all for everyone having health care just not sure how to do it. Yes I am against the government doing more than they already do. But hey my opinion is just a thought, a moment in time where I voiced what was on my mind. I do not mandate the law, I do not have a say in what is or will be. My concern is for people who do not have the basic necessities like I do. But there is always going to be a point where some people just don't have everything.

It's sad but true.

All I'm asking for is some basic entitlements to health care . We live in one of the Greatest nations to ever bask here on earth , yet we have a serious problem of taking care of our own .

That and when there is a national debate raging over what to do , we have a fair percentage of the population scared out of their wits because of people invoking words like communism and nazi's . These were the same arguments that were made when medicare and SS were enacted that we now consider people entitled to .

[DW_Damaged]

Fry my wife and I donate $1000 a year to the VA so please don't assume I don't contribute to anyone.

No, I wasn't saying you don't contribute to anyone, there are many organizations that help many different groups of people, like the VA you're talking about, or specific minorities, or people with certain diseases, or religious organizations... but there are still millions of regular schlubs that don't fall into any of those specific categories to give help to.

I'm just coming at this from the angle of someone who's in the last month gone to the ER coughing up blood and not knowing why, having X-Rays taken of my chest, given no explanation whatsoever on why I'm coughing up blood, then sent to a Psych hospital (when I came to the ER for a physical issue), which then released me 3 hours later with no treatment whatsoever, no follow-up, no medication, no explanation, nothing.

I still have no idea why I was coughing up blood that day, other than what I've inferred from WebMD about my state of dehydration at the time (not being able to keep down any liquids for more than a week), and some other symptoms. I'll just give a thumbs up and assume everything's OK, and move on.

People are led to believe there's help there when you really need it, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Cash is king, even when you're seriously ill.

It just sucks to go from being someone who's worthy of keeping alive, to someone who's on their own... because of a medical condition.

Your right Fry it Sucks and something needs to change so people do not have to go through what you are. Maybe Government health is the answer but I don't think it is. Something needs to change and I have no idea how to do it.

I'm Out

Peace

[DW_Bomzin]

I don't know were you got the idea they were going to make you move away from your insurance either . FauX news maybe?

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[DW_ImAnArmyMan]

Germany has the world's oldest universal health care system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Health Insurance Act of 1883. As mandatory health insurance, it originally applied only to low-income workers and certain government employees, but has gradually expanded to cover virtually the entire population. The system is decentralized with private practice physicians providing ambulatory care, and independent, mostly non-profit hospitals providing the majority of inpatient care. Approximately 92% of the population is covered by a 'Statutory Health Insurance' plan, which provides a standardized level of coverage through any one of approximately 1100 public or private sickness funds. Standard insurance is funded by a combination of employee contributions, employer contributions and government subsidies on a scale determined by income level. Higher income workers sometimes choose to pay a tax and opt out of the standard plan, in favor of 'private' insurance. The latter's premiums are not linked to income level but instead to health status.

Historically, the level of provider reimbursement for specific services is determined through negotiations between regional physician's associations and sickness funds. Since 1976 the government has convened an annual commission, comprised of representatives of business, labor, physicians, hospitals, and insurance and pharmaceutical industries. The commission takes into account government policies and makes recommendations to regional associations with respect to overall expenditure targets. In 1986 expenditure caps were implemented and were tied to the age of the local population as well as the overall wage increases. Although reimbursement of providers is on a fee-for-service basis the amount to be reimbursed for each service is determined retrospectively to ensure that spending targets are not exceeded. Capitated care, such as that provided by U.S. health maintenance organizations, has been considered as a cost containment mechanism but would require consent of regional medical associations, and has not materialized. Copayments were introduced in the 1980s in an attempt to prevent overutilization and control costs. The average length of hospital stay in Germany has decreased in recent years from 14 days to 9 days, still considerably longer than average stays in the U.S. (5 to 6 days). The difference is partly driven by the fact that hospital reimbursement is chiefly a function of the number of hospital days as opposed to procedures or the patient's diagnosis. Drug costs have increased substantially, rising nearly 60% from 1991 through 2005. Despite attempts to contain costs, overall health care expenditures rose to 10.7% of GDP in 2005, comparable to other western European nations, but substantially less than that spent in the U.S. (nearly 16% of GDP)

[-1PARA-Queenie]

Rocket, Obviously you have not read all of the posts. We are not posting to criticize people for there ideas or thoughts. If you don't have something to say about the topic please keep your Smart Ass replies to yourself.

LOL actually i have read all of them so in your words please dont assume i havn't and when you take your own advice maybe i will consider it to. Wiki FTW.

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