DW_FrankyTheFly wrote:I mean having to "force" players (like we did with the vorpal) to understand what respect is is like having to spank a kid for bad behavior. *sigh*, Why can't people just act like responsible adults for once? So lame...
Once again, let them be. Do not insult them. Comments like this insult people. It's not lame. It's not corrupted. It's not childish. It's just a playing style.
Windigo wrote:But still there is the problem that the mingun gives no xp
The minigun does give experience.
The difference between successful people from others is
not in the lack of strength,
not in the lack of knowledge,
but rather in the lack of will. FFE466
"we can have an alternate solution from this point. Maybe we could prevent the mwm from rolling magic modifiers for the MP5 (treat it like a super weapon)!"DW_Ant
wow Ant ..this is a great idea!
i came up with the remove mp5 ammo from locker idea out of frustration long ago..
so i posted it here ...but actually its not "simple" or even a very good idea
it will have litte effect on high lvl am and wm ..since ammo crates drop filling mp5 ammo ,or an am can roll an inf +5 and both wm and am have ressupply as well
I can get 10k+ on many maps with no mp5 ammo in locker!
Removing mp5 ammo from locker will only affect the medics and low lvl players..
its over kill to do this because 20 or 30 players are good with mp5...
its silly that we are even discussing this when our chars are beyond maxed!!!
do you really want to take mp5 ammo away from a lvl 25-150 player? or even the high lvl medic?
I regret posting this idea ..it will have very little effect on a player like me.. and will make it harder for low lvls and meds. Ants idea is almost perfect and sounds very fun.a lottery for what mp5 you get stuck with, seems very fair and fun.But how about the rolling of inf mp5 for low lvl players? 1 game i rolled like 4 or 5 inf mp5 for low lvl players on barn brawl and they all stuck around and had fun..low lvls not being able to roll inf mp5 could be a problem with your idea ant.maybe better to do nothing, maybe the server is perfect as is..really seems franky is the only 1 complaining.. Just let people play and have fun!!!
"OMG That's so wrong! It means you let people influence you and took the decision for you. It's like a message from a sect: "JOIN THE LEADER", or "BECOME ONE OF US"... I mean ewwwwww. "IF YOU CAN'T BEAT EM FIND THE RIGHT WAY AND PROVE EM WRONG", that's the righ thing to do. I sincerly hope you will realise that someday Naha."Frankythefly
.P.s .. Franky "if you cant beat em join em" is a classic american saying, its the same as saying "when in rome do as the romans do" THIS IS A VIDEO GAME ..You are taking it a way too serious talking about cults and abuse and evil and all this shiznit.....
minigun is actually pretty decent imo. i've played whole maps where i just used mini gun and nothing else and scored 10k+ easily. i did it for the fun and challenge i hope it doesn't make me a mini gun abuser. trick is using alt fire. it's very powerful that way especially with Triple and the ammo lasts a long time. i believe there is a damage Cap on Triple so that kind of evens the floor with the various weapons.
i think i'd tend to agree that mp5 is a bit OP but thats also part of the fun. this is monster MASH and it's fun to mash. like ant said it boils down to preference and style. some like overcoming restrictions and others like nuking everything in their path. i like both aspects and hope they stay. i never had much issue with mp5 because everyone can use it but i say amen to what wail did to vorpal +22 cause only 1 class can use that. that being said i would not mind mp5 being toned down if admins wanted to do that.
i'm just trying to understand the concept of abuse. are you saying Franky that you would have scored more kills than that 1000+ kills you scored in that screen shot if you only used mp5? i would tend to disagree if you said that. generally you kill more and do better if you DON'T stick to one weapon (generally). honestly i can think of a lot better weapon setups i'd prefer over a just using a single mp5, and i try to roll em when i can, and can rack up disgusting kill counts without any mp5 at all, depending on the rolls.
generally what i am hearing here is what consitutes "abuse" on these servers is someone who is getting all the kills, and i'm certainly guilty of that(sorry). surely the whole thing about "abuse" is taking all the kills, and it doesn't matter what weapon or weapons you use to do it. if you have equal number of kills with each weapon in your loadout, and you take all the kills, isn't that just as abusive? i've had people call me down on that many times and i've had to tone it down so they could get some fun and xp in too. i'm just trying to have fun and sometimes forget to be mindful but i do try. imo it becomes abusive when your annoying others, otherwise kill kill kill and have fun. i agree we should have respect for others and i also agree that playing style is a big part of what weapons are used. medics aside, using only one weapon i think just ends up holding you back so very often.
no disrespect at all intended here, but if i judge those screen shots trying to find 'abuse' then the screen shot of the guy with 1000+ kills is the bigger problem player than the one with only 600+ kills. however personally i don't take issue with either screenshot looks like you guyz had some fun :swink:
now here's an interesting thought for the thread author and maybe a few others. if i want to take all the kills, to do so i will prefer the Mini Gun over the Mp5. Yes, give me the Mini Gun as the most easy to abuse weapon. Just make it Retaliation +4 and by using Alt Fire all game long basically I have infinte hard hitting ammo all game long, fueled by the scary power of Retal, and no nrg is necessarily needed. Another interesting thing about mini gun is that UNLIKE Mp5, weapon lockers with ammo abound for the Mini(most every map has them) so for high level players you always have inf ammo in either fire mode. just get a good magic type on it and go nuts with it. petri mini gun alt fire with Triple? awww Yeeea! honestly though i think i do better when i use lots of different weapons. there are so many ways to go nuts in this game, it's not just one weapon or style. important thing is we do as Franky says and have respect.
Warning: Incoming Warhead!!
Wanted on 1000 planets for mass destruction of alien life forms!
Very well stated warhead!!
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT HAS GONE COMPLETLY OVER FRANKYS LVL OF UNDERSTANDING!!
pressing f3 to look at stats for each game and % of weapon use is very different depending on how much time the player was in game..because of health issues ,i normally play only 20 or 30 min or less per game before i have to get up(occasionally i play a full game)
...and being AM it is very challenging to roll a full weaps set in a few waves time. Franky uses (3 energys.link,mines and flack..vorp shock petri mp5 ect ect)and the low waves are where he gets his mine and shock/lg stats up..The only reason your f3 stats look like that is cause you play from wave 1 to 16 franky..
Try joining at wave 13 with your AM and dont ask for copys and lets see your f3 stats!!
your f3 stats do not apply to me.. im playing a diff game/style than you. the f3 stats your looking at are actually meaningless!!!Just let people play their style!! this is not dm, this is not competitive play!!!!!!
NahasapeemapetiloN wrote:1 game i rolled like 4 or 5 inf mp5 for low lvl players on barn brawl and they all stuck around and had fun..low lvls not being able to roll inf mp5 could be a problem with your idea ant.
I was thinking it should be only the magic weapon maker that cannot roll MP5. Infinite Makers, Reloading Makers, (possibly) the Fiendish Relic can roll the MP5. Since this still restricts you from generating a hundred infinites, you will have to selectively (or randomly) choose a player to give your MP5. The good news is that, it'll make ya alotta new friends and possibly new enemies since you are making them compete for your love :sgiggle:
The difference between successful people from others is
not in the lack of strength,
not in the lack of knowledge,
but rather in the lack of will. FFE466
Ant i like this idea very much..
Still i fear the overall effect of this would be,,, ..=less inf mp5 for low lvl players.(inf crafter is kinda rare..if your not admin)whitch may lower the popularity of the server over time.
(for me, it sounds fun ..(but i play all 3 char types at maxed lvls, I could adapt to any play style, low lvls cant)
NahasapeemapetiloN wrote:less inf mp5 for low lvl players.(inf crafter is kinda rare..if your not admin)whitch may lower the popularity of the server over time.
Inf Crafter's probability can be changed.
I don't think admins spawn with infinite crafter.
We can't hand everyone everything on a golden platter. If they expect to get the inf mp5 every map, then they'll lose interest much more quickly than as if they see multiple magic types and once in awhile, they'll hit the jackpot when finding an inf crafter (or spawning with an inf mp5).
The difference between successful people from others is
not in the lack of strength,
not in the lack of knowledge,
but rather in the lack of will. FFE466
Well ant, good point! im all for it then. i hope DW does this..Sounds fun!!
(actually this is exactly how i played my wm for many months..for 5 months i started with regular non magic mp5 (with loaded weaps at max because of a glitch)i did ask ams to roll it 1 time for me, sevral times they did, but many times no luck ..
guess who was starting with inf crafter at that time? cough cough... :stongue:<<<rhetorical question.. no need to answer!!
warhead2 wrote:minigun is actually pretty decent imo. i've played whole maps where i just used mini gun and nothing else and scored 10k+ easily. i did it for the fun and challenge i hope it doesn't make me a mini gun abuser. trick is using alt fire. it's very powerful that way especially with Triple and the ammo lasts a long time. i believe there is a damage Cap on Triple so that kind of evens the floor with the various weapons.
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now here's an interesting thought for the thread author and maybe a few others. if i want to take all the kills, to do so i will prefer the Mini Gun over the Mp5. Yes, give me the Mini Gun as the most easy to abuse weapon. Just make it Retaliation +4 and by using Alt Fire all game long basically I have infinte hard hitting ammo all game long, fueled by the scary power of Retal, and no nrg is necessarily needed. Another interesting thing about mini gun is that UNLIKE Mp5, weapon lockers with ammo abound for the Mini(most every map has them) so for high level players you always have inf ammo in either fire mode. just get a good magic type on it and go nuts with it. petri mini gun alt fire with Triple? awww Yeeea!
The difference between successful people from others is
not in the lack of strength,
not in the lack of knowledge,
but rather in the lack of will. FFE466
