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Defiant wrote:...... I'm willing to spend an extra $60 to ensure I have enough air in the machine. air is important.........

If that case had anymore air it wouldnt be a case!

Once you reach a certin point you get deminishing returns. past that you might as well carve a slot in your desktop for the motherboard edge.

Dust is annother issue with an open case. Not that is a bad case.

Defiant wrote:Actually it's pretty weird, that case is extremely well balanced. However, like I have told people before, that case really is not a gamers case. it's more for people like me who are trying to build a digital animation studio. and you'll have like 6-7 different media drives and a bunch of other stuff. That could use the air.

yuo know with a lot of drives it could need a lot of power. I was looking over thermaltakes wholesale pricelist and thier power supplys are really expensive. several are north of $100.

are you going to make any amd setups?
wiyhout that the case is just a case.
lol

I would suggest visiting Toms Hardware and check out the power supply review. A few months back they stress tested 20+ power supplies. Below are the links to the tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/11/stress_test/

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/07/ ... treatment/

killrob wrote:are you going to make any amd setups?
wiyhout that the case is just a case.
lol

Lets see do i go with a 2.2 ghz AMD processor or a 1.8 ghz dual core amd processor for which no software has been written to take advantage of the second core?

Or do i go with a 3.8 Ghz 64 bit with a 2m L2 cache or poissibally a 64 bit dual core 3.2 ghz w2mb L2 both of which have hyperthreading for mutiple data streams appearing as up to 4 processors to the os. and oh yess full compatibility.

or perhaps Dual core hyperthreaded XEONs at 3.4 GHz and an L2 of 2mb.

Should i also think about the fact that with a smaller NM line that the intel chips run cooler. or the fact that an amd rep told me the intel chips run games faster and I should think of the AMDs for servers instead of gaming units. But perhaps having worked for AMD only for several years He didnt know anything about the chips. Maybe he also doesnt remember when the makers of Doom reccomended aganst using amd because AMD only emulates Intel code slowing down processes? Could this be why shortly after that AMD sought to confuse people by changing to a numbering scheme that hid the true processor speed?

ITs true that intel made a major marketing error by not making a 64 bit transitional chip sooner, relying on the Iantium to carry thier 64 bit banner as it had for a few years. But they have them now. If they can put more transistors on a die using a smaller NM process, running them faster, cooler and with more compatibility, I think you should look at using them dont you?

Of course for those that insist on using the poor sister amd because of what i believe is deceptive business practices, I will make them available as an option. This option however will not have as good a guarantee because I cant offer as reliable a unit as a full intel solution. Because of this it will also not have our companys name on it. Caviat Emptor!

It is good that amd exists to keep intel on its toes. Too bad motorola is going out of the game. I was hopeing Ibm was going to move thier processors to pcs befoire they sold out the PC business and this country to the chineese. :glasses4: :bom:

Defiant what do you think of these power supplies?
HP 485D 485Watts 20+4 Pin Power Supply w/Dual 8mm Fan + PCI-E Adapter
Award P4 450W 20+4Pin Dual Fans ATX Power Supply OEM (Red Color)
AcePower 580UB BTX 580Watts Total Power w/Dual 80mm Blue LED
AGI-U430-120E 430W(peak)/400W(continue) 20+4pin, PCIE-6pin 120mm Fan
the ace power is the most expensive the HP the least but ive never used them before

I will always stick with AMD chips. I used to be an Intel guy, but switched right after the athlon cpu series came out several years ago. Nearly all the computers I've built have AMD in them. When deciding what to use for our office, AMD was a "no brainer". We never have any problems with them. Any gaming enthusiast will tell you AMD is the one to beat, and Intel dual cores are something Intel hastily put together as the first ones they put out are literally two cpu's physically placed together and thats about it. AMD cpus were designed from the ground up to work together, and they don't have the bottle necks that Intel has with their dual cpu solution. High GHZ isn't the best way to measure a cpu, its the amount of work a cpu can do in a clock cycle that matters most. Pentiums were made to go high speed, but with their deep pipelines, they can take a big performance penalty that slows them down. They also do less work per clock cycle. AMD does more work per clock cycle and usually averages about 1/3 more work so that a 2ghz chip can meet and probably exceed what a 3gh intel chip can do. The AMD cpu just works smart, it doesn't have to work hard to accomplish the same task the Intel chip does.

I have a dual core AMD64 machine, and there is software out there that does take advantage of the dual cores. If you ever do any video rendering, then you would know theres several programs that use both cores. Besides, the O/S automatically splits the work between both cores, so if you run more than 1 program, I.E. multitask, then both cores are being used. I have seen it first hand, and things are so much smoother using and AMD dual core. AMD all the way!

Maximum PC love AMD cpu's, their dream machine uses an AMD. Their top systems from vendors are AMD cpu's. Folks, read and research, don't take just 1 persons word on what is the best cpu! I can provide plenty of links to show you how well AMD cpu's are!

http://www.maximumpc.com/2005/08/hypersonic_cycl.html

"15 percent faster than the scary-fast 3.73GHz P4-powered Falcon Northwest Mach V we reviewed in May 2005"

http://www.maximumpc.com/2005/08/monarch_nemesis.html

Winner by a landslide of readers choice awards. 2006 will be the year of dual core processors: It is amazing to see the dominance of the Athlon 64 X2 over the Pentium D in the voting. AMD is on a roll right now. The company is a perennial hardware enthusiast favorite, but recently it has started to see traction in the business community, and gained traction as a viable alternative to Intel. It's been a long time coming, but 2006 may well turn out to be AMD's biggest year, yet!

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/02/10/reade ... page3.html

Intel vs AMD, check the link to see who won. From C/net.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-63 ... l?tag=lnav

Plenty more links if anyone wants more.

Actually the first apple mac os was designed before windows by gates coppying a unix GUI. THEN he designed a PC copy. windows 1.0 which few of us had. Its ironic that the mac gui took up a hell of a lot more memory and you could only use one button on the mouse. ITs ironic that artists liked the kludge better. Its allso ironic that the latest mac os is based once again on unix.

I guess we all have to go back to our roots sometime!

You know a company hp purchased was the reason i GOT IN THE PC BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH. Compac! I purchased a pc years a go from them and had a lot of problems.

Cardinal rule # 1 Never purchase a consumer PC

Cardinal rule # 2 Never purchase a PC made by the former compac division. They make all hps consumer PCs.

Cardinal rule # 3 Never purchase a high end ms remote keyboard for gameing. version 3 with the the lever does not work with our favorite program.

Basically our goal in building machines rather than reselling others is reliability and compatibility. We test every bit of hardware we spec in our machines to be shure they work correctly. Then we test every machine before it goes out to make shure it is solid.

We also don't want the machine to be extreemely pricey as far as parts are concerned.

By the way, in the comments about the power supplys, LOL at the guy who liked his powersupply because it fit!

Wraith Intel has been working on the dual core chips for a while. they didnt rush them out. If you dont want "bottlenecks" be shure and order the correct SKU for the job. IE . if you want throughput be shure you order the Hyperthreaded emt 64. Throughput is doubled as well as work acomplished being increased.

I will concede however a dualcore amd will probabally run AS fast as a socket 478 3 GHz 533 without hyperthreading. but then so will a snail. (just trying to see if you are still awake :happy8: )

And yes software can be written to take better advantage of dual core cpus.

By the way be shure your sourses arn't biased or have an incomplete picture of things when you listen to them. By this I mean many gamers and online "Journalists" are anti intel and anti big buisiness to begin with and this colors thier judgement. Its like on CBS friday night where the field guy is saying the plot in los angeles was revieled under rigerous Questioning and the Dumbass anchor saying "torture" in response. We have rigorus questioning in this country. You see it in every courtroom and you see it on NBC in law and order. Ol "whats his name's" opinion was colored by his hatred of bush and his desire to stick his finger in the fire ant hill.