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UT3 should be coming soon with a new gametype, improved vehicles, and MORE PLAYERS! Death Warrant will be there with hardware to spare!
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kaeolian wrote:Thats a very good point there hornet !!! I wonder how much ppl will be willing to pay for one when they are first released ? I know the 360 was going for stupid money at first... then ppl realised it wasnt that great.
Well traditionally the consoles are always way over priced when released, But this should be worse. November release date -> xmas will inflate prices. + all the rumors about yields on the cell and GPU i dont expect a mass delivery of consoles just yet. Then there is the article that came out claiming ps3 is loseing around 300$ per console. We all know a buisness cant stay up losing a mass amount of money. Makes me wonder if sony is trying to induce a shortage issue.

Your probally going to see what happened in the states w/ xbox 360, buy the ps3 with a crap load of useless accessories or go home. Since you have a pre-order you dont have that issue.
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linux operating system on it.
<snip> Linux <snip>
Yes.. come to the light of LINUX! Mwahahaha pretty soon microsoft will be destroyed! *sees meteor heading for microsoft HQ*
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Got that right, Zax. I've got my Gentoo AMD64 setup rigged and it FLIES LIKE THE WIND. I can't wait to try out UT2004 on it. Hopefully I get around to doing that tonight. :)
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Something I forgot to mention? Viruses don't affect Gentoo or Linux to my knowledge. Hoozah. I think Microsoft let's them by so they can make money off anti-virus crap.
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Zax_Gentoo_Box wrote:Something I forgot to mention? Viruses don't affect Gentoo or Linux to my knowledge. Hoozah. I think Microsoft let's them by so they can make money off anti-virus crap.
There are viruses for every system. The only reason why you may not have to worry as much as a Windows user is because Linux is not as common. They do have viruses for Linux, and the fact that Linux is open source means that making viruses is easier for it. So if it ever does kick off to kill Microsoft and remains open source...the Virus community could be even worse.
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I think the reason Linux is virus-proof (I heard this once long ago) is that it's a modular OS, that even if a virus infected one part of the system it couldn't get to the rest of the system. Not sure though.
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Namu wrote:
Zax_Gentoo_Box wrote:Something I forgot to mention? Viruses don't affect Gentoo or Linux to my knowledge. Hoozah. I think Microsoft let's them by so they can make money off anti-virus crap.
There are viruses for every system. The only reason why you may not have to worry as much as a Windows user is because Linux is not as common. They do have viruses for Linux, and the fact that Linux is open source means that making viruses is easier for it. So if it ever does kick off to kill Microsoft and remains open source...the Virus community could be even worse.
While there are some "viruses" for just about everything, windows' problems stem not only from their bad programming, but also from their security model. The problem is that in windows (for the most part, until recently) everyone had full control over their workstation. The way that most UNIX systems are set up by default is that a normal user has to escalate their privledges to a super user mode.

Therefore, any infected file that the user was tricked into running, could easily infect the rest of the machine. This was very common back in the floppy disk days. It was also very common (without human intervetion) to do it via email because outlook and outlook express would run executables without even prompting the user.

At this point, they are probably better classified as worms. These would be more of a threat to UNIX systems vs. virus which require human intervention. However, even in this case there has not been too many issues. Slapper is probably the most famous of these and it was actually a flaw in Apache (a web server). And it only infected certain versions running SSL on LInux x86. So, even if you were running the vulnerable version on PowerPC or Alpha or Arm or Sparc, etc. you would not have had a problem.

I disagree that open source opens up any more threats than closed source. Windows has had far (infintely) more problems and that is with crackers attacking without source code. Security through obscurity is not security. One of the (suppossed) advantages to opensource is that since it is open, you have a multitude of people looking at it. There are many security organizations around the world that would love to break the news that something is broken in any piece of software. In addition, look at OpenBSD. It is generally regarded at the most secure general purpose OS (I am sure that the government has some high secretive, proprietary stuff that no one sees). It is open source. The guy who runs the project (Theo) is accussed of being a prick. But, he holds people to an extremely high standard.

Remember, all software is written by humans, and we make mistakes. However, using better security models really helps. The biggest threats to UNIX like systems are faulty software which exposes a bug which can be actively exploited. When an application is running with superuser privedges and it is exploited, say goodbye to your box.

Several years ago, Checkpoint, the premier firewall application, was found to have a remote exploit. Cisco has had several problems as well with their IOS.

WIndows VIsta is suppossed to be a step in the right direction with a more UNIX like security approach. You have to escalate your privledges to administer the box.

The most famous worm of all time was the Morris worm. It took down the Internet in the late 80s. What did it exploit? An OS? Nope... Sendmail, which was, and still is, the most popular MTA out there.
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Schooled! :study:

Thanks for that info. I was just trying illustrate that no system is completly safe.
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Namu wrote:Schooled! :study:

Thanks for that info. I was just trying illustrate that no system is completly safe.
lol...

Not trying to school anybody. (I am sure you will get me back tonight ;) )

It is just what I do for a living, so...

But, you are correct, no system is completely safe. And once I infiltrate your building, you are owned. So, phyisical security is another thing to keep in mind.
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Fukin_Weasel wrote:No matter what console user said...PC's always will be better. At least on my humble point of view. PC's are a whole different story with no boundaries.
Different things. Great thing about console gaming is you dont need to arse around with installing, system requirements, HDD space, overheating, patching, will it run with linux/windows/mac/a cat etc etc. You can just pop the disk in and play.

Bad thing about consoles is online play is really really untidy. Its all subscription based from what I know too. So you pay your internet bill, your bill for the console, buy the game, and THEN they milk you for more money after you've got it?
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