Lets talk Health Care/Why we are going to kill old people.

[DW_Damaged]

Rocket,

Obviously you have yet to reach the stage where your comic outlook on life changes to a more adult perspective. Healthcare in this country is indeed in trouble there is no doubt about that. At no time did I insinuate that my ideas or comments were the solution or at any time did I say they would solve the problem regarding healthcare in this country. In fact if you did read all of the posts like you said you did you would see where I have repeated myself numerous times that there is a problem but I have no idea on what the solution should be. I have mentioned incentive based solutions trying to keep the government out of solving the problem because in my opinion (Again just my opinion and I hope you can understand the difference) the solution should not be put entirely in the hands of the government. With that said you need to take that comic attitude of yours and try to apply it to real world events instead of doing your best to annoy me. Which by the way you're not very good at. So if you have a problem with me keep it to yourself because in all honestly I don't care.

Hopefully the problems in this country get resolved and people get the care they need. This isn't a perfect world but this is the greatest country in this imperfect world and 9 times out of 10 we have resolved and overcome the problems that have fallen upon us.

Dead end

Peace Out

[DW_ImAnArmyMan]

India has a universal health care system run by the local (state or territorial), governments. The government hospitals, some of which are among the best hospitals in India,provide treatment at taxpayer expense. Most essential drugs are offered free of charge in these hospitals.

Government hospitals provide treatment either free or at minimal charges. For example, an outpatient card at AIIMS (one of the best hospitals in India) costs a one time fee of rupees 10 (Around 20 cents US) and thereafter outpatient medical advice is free. In-hospital treatment costs depend on financial condition of the patient and facilities utilized by him but are usually much less than the private sector. For instance, a patient is waived treatment costs if he is below poverty line. Another patient may seek for an air-conditioned room if he is willing to pay extra for it. The charges for basic in-hospital treatment and investigations are much less compared to the private sector. The cost for these subsidies comes from annual allocations from the central and state governments.

Primary health care is provided by city and district hospitals and rural primary health centres (PHCs). These hospitals provide treatment free of cost. Primary care is focused on immunization, prevention of malnutrition, pregnancy, child birth, postnatal care, and treatment of common illnesses.[citation needed] Patients who receive specialized care or have complicated illnesses are referred to secondary (often located in district and taluk headquarters) and tertiary care hospitals (located in district and state headquarters or those that are teaching hospitals). However, the fact that the government sector is understaffed and underfinanced and poor services at state run hospitals forces many people to visit private medical practitioners.

Now organizations like Hindustan Latex Family Planning Promotional Trust and other private organizations have started creating hospitals and clinics in India, which also provide free or subsidized health care and subsidized insurance plans.

[-1PARA-Queenie]

Rocket,

Obviously you have yet to reach the stage where your comic outlook on life changes to a more adult perspective. Healthcare in this country is indeed in trouble there is no doubt about that. At no time did I insinuate that my ideas or comments were the solution or at any time did I say they would solve the problem regarding healthcare in this country. In fact if you did read all of the posts like you said you did you would see where I have repeated myself numerous times that there is a problem but I have no idea on what the solution should be. I have mentioned incentive based solutions trying to keep the government out of solving the problem because in my opinion (Again just my opinion and I hope you can understand the difference) the solution should not be put entirely in the hands of the government. With that said you need to take that comic attitude of yours and try to apply it to real world events instead of doing your best to annoy me. Which by the way you're not very good at. So if you have a problem with me keep it to yourself because in all honestly I don't care.

Hopefully the problems in this country get resolved and people get the care they need. This isn't a perfect world but this is the greatest country in this imperfect world and 9 times out of 10 we have resolved and overcome the problems that have fallen upon us.

Dead end

Peace Out

lol i have a perfect adult perspective of it all i just happen to have a sense of humour.

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[DW_Bomzin]

Well this is the latest coming from the right . They are actually challenging the legal ground for the government to even run anything related to health care .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8kggRSddQ[/youtube]

Couldn't find the recent stuff I saw today , but they are actually talking about challenging this in the courts .

With this thinking , Medicare could be toast if they win their battles . Although the Republicans never really wanted Medicare or SS anyway . So they would be getting what they wanted .

Then we got the dems talking about not providing a public option but opting for just mandatory health care for everyone , no regulations , just get it or we will fine you annually.

States calling for succession from the union , was just Texas , now we got Georgia talking about it . Even though if you count Medicare recipients they have almost a 50% uninsured rate as it stands today .

What a freaking mess... :banghead:

I firmly believe in Bill and Teds excellent Adventure . One simple rule for a better world . BE EXCEllENT . Good rule to live by and very few on either side of the isle are .

[JulianKingOfNothing]

Now, I haven't read all those post, simply because I have no time to do that..
But can anyone explain WHY would you not like for the goverment to help poor, sick people?

If you go to Africa (or any country that doesn't have a goverment paying for them), and ask if they want help when they're ill, handicapted, hald-dead, ..
They don't start thinking: "Oh no, we don't want that, it will give big debt to our state." No, they are happy the state is finally doing something back for them.

Most of you guys work, and probally complain about the goverment not doing something back for their people, for paying taxes, for having to work untill retirement, for having a bad back/neck that really hurts. And most likely you could also complain about the really expensive health-care to solve the bad back/neck hurting. Just give Obama's health-care plan a chance of working, nothing is really flawless in the beginning.


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and just putting it out there, Belgium has the best/dumbest goverment ever. They pay to the unemployed peoplke (OCMW), they pay most money back after you go to the doctor (health-care). For everything that could happen to you, Belgium has an organisation ready to pay. Yes, people take abuse of this, but nothing for you to worry about, just let the goverment handle it.

[JulianKingOfNothing]

Obama gave a speech around 12 GMT i think. I didnt see it, but I heard a part on the news, where he was saying that illegals won't get treated.

So you shouldnt be paying for them, one problem less to worry about

[JulianKingOfNothing]

Suddenly its silent here after obama's speech

[DW_Bomzin]

Obama gave a speech around 12 GMT i think. I didnt see it, but I heard a part on the news, where he was saying that illegals won't get treated.

So you shouldnt be paying for them, one problem less to worry about

This is yet another problem that just can't be discussed with any sort of honesty , even amongst our congressman . The "YOU LIE" heard around the world during the president speech to congress. Yes presidents have been slammed and called all sorts of names before , but this set a new presidence in addresses to congress . Whatever, that could be a whole different subject...

The debate is really about whether the Feds will subsidize health care for illegal's . No they will not be on the same plan as the rest of us . Yes they will still receive help when in dire need . Yes the government will still pay subsidies for treating them . The alternative would be inhumane.

It's really just yet another distracting subject in the grand scheme to get the American people to take their eye off the ball .

[DW_Bomzin]

Couple interesting notes from FactCheck.ORg . Non-partisan group .

The percentage of Americans with employer-sponsored health coverage declined from 59.3 percent in 2007 to 58.5 percent in 2008.

[align=center]Choosing Words Carefully[/align]

Some of the president’s factual claims, while accurate, were notable for his careful wording.

Obama: There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.

“Citizens” is the operative word here. And even so, the 30 million figure is an understatement. The official Census figure for 2007 was actually 45.7 million persons in the U.S., but that figure includes an estimated 10 million who are not U.S. citizens, including 5.6 million who are here illegally, according to the National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation. That still leaves about 35.7 million U.S. citizens without health coverage in 2007, well above the president’s figure. And hours after the president spoke, Census released new figures for 2008, showing the total number of uninsured went up slightly, to 46.3 million.

Still hearing claims out there it is only 10-15 million , not buying it .

[DW_Damaged]

Not being quiet it's just that this subject is one in which there will be constant arguments from both sides.

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