Lets talk Health Care/Why we are going to kill old people.

[DW_Damaged]

Ok Bomzin you get one more reply from me. This is just a taste of what will happen when the government takes over health care.

It sure isn't a situation I want to find myself or my family members in. Just imagine if this was your mother and this is what the government tells her. And the Ass Clown in the Red shirt should be smacked in the face.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ojBgTyA7I[/youtube]

[DW_Bomzin]

Oh comon I gotta get more then one .

She has advanced cancer fine . Without any health coverage she gets 0 care . So the situation she finds herself in is much the same . With or without government funded care . It's the same either way . Whats the difference? Shall we take a look at her with no medical coverage what so ever. This may be an example but it doesn't neccesarily have to be that way .

Also some serious talk has to be done about end of life weather it is government run or privately run there will come a time when someone is going to cut off funding .

If at the end of your life , we can keep you alive for a million dollars a month . Is it worth it , for either government or private insurance? Where is the line drawn there has to be one .

That lady simply wants more time to live , don't we all.She's asking for med's that arn't approved . I can find the same thing about private insurance I guarantee it.Doesn't take much of a search..

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-- In June 2008, Robin Beaton, a retired nurse from Waxahachie, Texas, found out she had breast cancer and needed a double mastectomy. Two days before her surgery, her insurance company, Blue Cross, flagged her chart and told the hospital they wouldn't allow the procedure to go forward until they finished an examination of five years of her medical history -- which could take three months. It turned out that a month before the cancer diagnosis, Beaton had gone to a dermatologist for acne treatment, and Blue Cross incorrectly interpreted a word on her chart to mean that the acne was precancerous.

Not long into the investigation, the insurer canceled her policy. Beaton, they said, had listed her weight incorrectly when she bought it, and had also failed to disclose that she'd once taken medicine for a heart condition -- which she hadn't been taking at the time she filled out the application. By October, thanks to an intervention from her member of Congress, Blue Cross reinstated Beaton's insurance coverage. But the tumor she had removed had grown 2 centimeters in the meantime, and she had to have her lymph nodes removed as well as her breasts amputated because of the delay.

-- In October 2008, Michael Napientak, a doorman from Clarendon Hills, Ill., went to the hospital for surgery to relieve agonizing back pain. His wife's employer's insurance provider, a subsidiary of UnitedHealthCare, had issued a pre-authorization for the operation. The operation went well. But in April, the insurer started sending notices that it wouldn't pay for the surgery, after all; the family, not the insurance provider, would be on the hook for the $148,000 the hospital charged for the procedure. Pre-authorization, the insurance company explained, didn't necessarily guarantee payment on a claim would be forthcoming. The company offered shifting explanations for why it wouldn't pay -- first, demanding proof that Napientak had tried less expensive measures to relieve his pain, and then, when he provided it, insisting that it lacked documentation for why the surgery was medically necessary. Napientak's wife, Sandie, asked her boss to help out, but with no luck. Fortunately for the Napientaks, they were able to attract the attention of a Chicago Tribune columnist before they had to figure out how to pay the six-figure bill -- once the newspaper started asking questions, the insurer suddenly decided, "based on additional information submitted," to cover the tab, after all.

-- David Denney was less than a year old when he was diagnosed in 1995 with glutaric acidemia Type 1, a rare blood disorder that left him severely brain damaged and unable to eat, walk or speak without assistance. For more than a decade, Blue Cross of California -- his parents' insurance company -- paid the $1,200 weekly cost to have a nurse care for him, giving him exercise and administering anti-seizure medication.

But in March 2006, Blue Cross told the Denney family their claims had exceeded the annual cost limit for his care. When they wrote back, objecting and pointing out that their annual limit was higher, the company changed its mind -- about the reason for the denial. The nurse's services weren't medically necessary, the insurers said. His family sued, and the case went to arbitration, as their policy allowed. California taxpayers, meanwhile, got stuck with the bill -- after years of paying their own premiums, the Denney family went on Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid system.

-- Patricia Reilling opened an art gallery in Louisville, Ky., in 1987, and three years later took out an insurance policy for herself and her employees. Her insurance provider, Anthem Health Plans of Kentucky, wrote to her this June, telling her it was canceling her coverage -- a few days after it sent her a different letter detailing the rates to renew for another year and billing her for July.

Reilling thinks she knows the reason for the cutoff, though -- she was diagnosed with breast cancer in March 2008. That kicked off a year-long battle with Anthem. First the company refused to pay for an MRI to locate the tumors, saying her family medical history didn't indicate she was likely to have cancer. Eventually, it approved the MRI, but only after she'd undergone an additional, painful biopsy. Her doctor removed both of her breasts in April 2008. In December, she went in for reconstructive plastic surgery -- and contracted a case of MRSA, an invasive infection. In January of this year, Reilling underwent two more surgeries to deal with the MRSA infection, and she's likely to require another operation to help fix all the damage. The monthly bill for her prescription medicines -- which she says are mostly generics -- is $2,000; the doctors treating her for the MRSA infection want $280 for each appointment, now that she's lost her insurance coverage. When she appealed the decision to cancel her policy, asking if she could keep paying the premium and continue coverage until her current course of treatment ends, the insurers wrote back with yet another denial. But they did say they hoped her health improved.

Also who do you work for again , just out of curiosity and no reply per the Regan-nomics .

[DW_Damaged]

OK B you get another reply from me.

I work for a college in Central FL and they pay for my health insurance but I have to pay for my dental as well as my wifes health insurance and dental. All total I pay about $550 per month.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that as we advance in medicine our life expectancy will continue to rise. We have known this for the past 20 years but no one ever thought of killing people or letting them decide to take there own life because it cost to much money. Before you know it people will say things like, well there 70 years old and have lived a long life it's time to put them down. My grandmother is 105 years old in a nursing home with dementia but to deprive her of medicine to make her comfortable is just wrong. She has just as much right to live out her life as anyone else on this planet.

Do you remember the movie Soylent Green?

I'm a Republican but voted for Obama but that doesnt mean I have to agree with everything either side says or wants to do. We are walking on uncharted territory and before we make quick decisions we really need to think about the outcome of our actions.

BTW Reagan was a great president.

[DW_Bomzin]

Wow $550 isn't bad , brings me back to my first point of the small business paying $1100 . Why arn't we all paying equal amounts is the first thing that IMHO should be addressed . If group policies would be done away with and everyone were on a equal level it just may help . That and some heavy regulations on the insurance biz.

My grandmother is 105 years old in a nursing home with dementia but to deprive her of medicine to make her comfortable is just wrong. She has just as much right to live out her life as anyone else on this planet.

Again wow , good for her , she's not on Medicare or SS or any of those other programs the republicans despise is she? Would she be were she is today without them?

Do you remember the movie Soylent Green?

Looked it up and vaguely remember it .

We are walking on uncharted territory and before we make quick decisions we really need to think about the outcome of our actions.

True , but the past administration had 8 years to at least talk about it and maybe do something in the right direction. They could see it coming it's been on the horizon for years, instead they choose to ignore the problem like nothing is wrong .

Now that something is on the board and being talked about we still don't get a whole lot out of them except for the expectations of trying to kill anything that is being done.

Take for example end of life counseling. In 2003 , 48 congressman ,republicans, were voting for funding for medicare for this , same wording as the current bill had. It was shot down due to the democrats . Now the democrats get on board with it and the some of the same people that voted for it in 03 are the ones crying death panels . It's nothing more then going against the opposition and whatever they come up with is bad .

Had the Republicans decided to do something productive on this front over the past 8 years we may not be heading down the road we are . But they didn't and the people want change . I want Savage to be able to get his butt polked . The free market and competition does not work when it comes to peoples health . Just for fun call the doctors office and try to get prices before hand . That is were the problem lies, there is no competition .

I don't claim an affiliation to either party at this point, I like things about both of them. Along with despise some of the things each do and don't believe that alot of them act in the best interest of the people rather the best interest to put more money in their pockets and get reelected to the cushy life they lead. Most are out of touch with the common man .

[DW_Damaged]

Wow $550 isn't bad , brings me back to my first point of the small business paying $1100 . Why arn't we all paying equal amounts is the first thing that IMHO should be addressed . If group policies would be done away with and everyone were on a equal level it just may help . That and some heavy regulations on the insurance biz.

Well if I had to pay for it all it would be $1100

Again wow , good for her , she's not on Medicare or SS or any of those other programs the republicans despise is she? Would she be were she is today without them?

She gets Medicaid or Medicare as well as SS but it all goes to her care. She lived with me and my wife for 5 years and then with my father for 3 years but we had to make a decision and a nursing home was our only choice. With that said if she didn't have Medicare or Medicaid she would be living with my wife and I or my father. It would be hard but when it comes to family you do whatever it takes and if I had to work 2 jobs to make sure she was cared for then that's what I would do.

[Savage]

I would just like to make one point. This last video that was posted is going on now and the bill is not in effect, it is still being debated, meaning this isn't a result of the discussed health care plan for the future, it is a result of the current one in place. So things are already bad and we must do something not talk about it but actually get up and do something. At least Obama is trying to do something about the current situation. This person is also terminally ill and that is a tough situation for anybody but hard decision must be made. I just think people with no coverage should be able to get some help when they have an illness which is otherwise treatable. People let pains and symptoms go because they fear the expenses of going to the doctor and it ends up becoming worse. If people could get the care they need right then, they could catch cancer in its early stages and have a chance to cure it. See you watch this video and you see it as what is to come, I see it as what is happening now. I watched the most kind woman I ever met die from cancer and it was because she had no coverage of any kind. I watch her hair fall out, I watched her lose her self esteem and eventually her mind. She died at 27. If she had some type of health care, she could have fought it in the early stages and possibly won but she never went to physicals or check-ups because it was too expensive. This will be my last post too because it is obviously a sensitive subject for some and I don't want to offend anyone. All I know is this, something must be done. Change must come in one form or another. I say, lets give it a shot and see. We will never know if it works or not if we keep saying "no" to everything they propose. People are dieing now. Something must be done NOW.

[DW_Bomzin]

She gets Medicaid or Medicare as well as SS but it all goes to her care. She lived with me and my wife for 5 years and then with my father for 3 years but we had to make a decision and a nursing home was our only choice. With that said if she didn't have Medicare or Medicaid she would be living with my wife and I or my father. It would be hard but when it comes to family you do whatever it takes and if I had to work 2 jobs to make sure she was cared for then that's what I would do.

Ok just for kicks lets say your not around for whatever reasons . The Republicans always had there way and we had no SS or Medicare . Could be looking sorta bleak .

It doesn't sound like we have a discussion here that nothing needs to be done , only what should be done. If we are to do something, why don't we look at the best rated medical system that the world has to offer and work a model off of it ?

[Savage]

It doesn't sound like we have a discussion here that nothing needs to be done , only what should be done. If we are to do something, why don't we look at the best rated medical system that the world has to offer and work a model off of it ?

Sounds great but what is it?

[DW_Bomzin]

I'm not sure but I'd bet a dollar Hilter has something to do with it . :blackeye:

[DW_Bomzin]

Actually thought it was Italy looking like Japan http://www.americashealthrankings.org/2 ... tions.html