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Building a new computer!

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:15 pm
by DW_Tsanger
Hey guys, still at work here. But I'm making it as productive as possible, as in learning what to buy for my new computer. The possibilities are endless i know and i have a lot of research to do ahead of me. but i thought i'd ask for some opinions, suggestions, websites that you guys have to offer. Remember i live in Canada and don't really want to deal with custom charges so ya.

I'm hoping to get a quad core or at least a duo core for sure. but now the problem is that this is my first time building a computer so i'm a noob. anyways thought i'd let you guys know that i'm doing that and if you have any suggestions or see any deals let me know.

P.S. this computer will be a gaming machine of course so i hope to obtain some pretty good parts. thanks again guys

Tsanger

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:38 pm
by DW_Hornet
There are really cheap dual core AMD solutions available if your going to be building an entire new system on the cheap. Newegg has a dual core amd processor for like 58$ U.S, thats like half a mil Canadian right?

Ideally you would spring for an intel setup at this point, there is supposed to be a 240$ level quad core released soon (about a month). Although the chip to get is probally the E4350? Its the new low end chip with 4mb cache. U.S its prices around 120 now i believe.

Ram is pretty cheap now, vista never took off and there is a huge glut of ram floating around. I would suggest 2gb at this point.

Video cards, probally an 8600GT or 8800GTS 320mb, the 8800 holds the price/performance crown last i checked. It also gives you support for DX10, which means nothing currently. I'll warn you every 6-9 months there are leaps in performance with graphic cards, don't go crazy on one. I'm honestly not a fan of Crossfire/SLI and i would actually recommend not running it.

Drives are relative BS in comparison.

It's mostly a question if you rather go AMD or Intel, and btw both have new chips coming out around the corner.

http://www.ncix.com/ <--- Canadia superstore
http://www.anandtech.com <--- good reviews
http://www.newegg.com

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:43 pm
by DW_Hornet
BTW building a PC is trivial. It's just a matter of good work ethic and making sure you don't short parts. Everything else is a simple lego and sticking a male and female connector together. The only hard part is working with thermal grease and thats just a matter of knowing how much to put.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:56 pm
by DW_Tsanger
I was thinking about going intel but again im not well educated on either one. They both seem to be good chips. Also i would like to build a computer that would last quite sometime, lets say about 3 years at least. and i know that in computer age that is old. but none the less i'm sure i could always upgrade little things on the way. but intel is the way ill probably go, why you ask, i dont know it's a good brand. lol. Apparently Intel is ahead of AMD so ya. Which intel chip to go with not sure. i couldn't find the E4350 chip on the site. is it a chip that still needs to be released? also what is a good cache size? you say that E4350 has 4mb cache, is that decent? let me know. thanks

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:23 pm
by DW_Tsanger
What you think about these computer cases?
Diablo Tek
Ultra
another Ultra
I know you should pick a case that is ATX compatible so that is what i am doing

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:51 pm
by zeus
I just built a new one a couple of months ago before the Intel price cuts. I got a 6300, which is on the low end of the conroe C2D. There is a cheaper C2D in the 4XXX series. They do not have virtualization built in. I also believe that their internal clock speed is lower than the conroes, but the multiplier is higher than the locked 6300 and 6400. I am not sure of the 4XXX have 4MB or cache or not, but the new 6XXX do.

Like hornet said, RAM is litterally dirt cheap. I think that it is close to half of what I paid for it 3 months ago. You should get at 2 GB. Any more than that is probably a waste at this point.

Video cards are probably going to have the most impact. But, I would not go too high right now because you don't when UT3 is going to come out. And the video card technology advances pretty quickly. The card I purchased a year ago for $100 is probably worth $40 if I am lucky. And it is doubled in performance by $100-$130 cards today.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:52 pm
by zeus
Tsanger wrote:What you think about these computer cases?
Diablo Tek
Ultra
another Ultra
I know you should pick a case that is ATX compatible so that is what i am doing
I just picked up an Antech P180B. Probably the most well put together case I have seen outside of "enterprise" cases.

I would not go crazy on the power supply. To me, quality is better than quantity here.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:44 pm
by DW_Tsanger
thanks zeus and hornet for the responses. this is helping me a lot.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:18 pm
by zeus
FYI, I moved my vid card from the old box (Athlon 64 3400 1GB Ram Emachines) to the new box (E6300 2GB Ram Custom) and according to the 3D Benchmark Utility (forget what it was called), I only gained about 4 FPS.

That shows how important the graphics card is to the game.

Also, very few games are multithreaded well these days. So, you will have a lot of extra processing power sitting around if you have multiple cores. For instance, when I first built my machine, I was playing monsters and installing two vmware Windows 2003 virtual servers at the same time with no drop in FPS.

Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:05 pm
by DW_e_aLpHa
- I am all up for Single core if your reazon is Actual Gaming.. What happens IMO is that they are making all this complex processors 2x 4x 8x!! .. intel or amd , but they are slower than a single core, the faster ones will cost an eye.. I also don't get too worried about multitasking using a 2x or 4x cpu, afterall I can only do 1 thing at the time, if im playing I surely won't be willing to attend another process even if it's almost automatic , but thats just me..

There's a lot of very good people here on the Building Pc's isue that will give great nice advise for you , we even have some experts on this matter right here I dare to say .. Good luck - and - Spend as much as you can :)
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Edit: highly recomend Newegg dot com .