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"The mp5 power was already diminish several time on magic like piercing, petrification and damage over the past years. It's power is already at the minimum possible state, but still, some very bad AM or WM still find ways to abuse this weapon way to much. Most good and respectful high level players try to minimise the use of this weapon as much as possible to prevent total chaos in the server. For instance I always make sure not to go over 200 kills with the mp5, while i'm having around 200 kills with the flak, 150 with the shock, 100 with mine layer and 50 with the lg (total around 600-650)."Franky wrote.

@ Franky, just the other day you were using petri mp5 (over 225 kills,your most used weap) and i joined mid game and rolled inf mp5 and got less than 200 kills you had over 3k more score and you made a comment before disconecting ."too bad ziggy has turned into an mp5 abuser ..he use to be cool"
Also ive seen you get over 200 kills with mines on stove..MINE LAYER ABUSE?? also, an even bigger problem is the use of three energy weapons..flack, link, mines. ENERGY ABUSE?(a player that is over lvl 300 should not be allowed to use more than 1 energy weap!! it s no challenge to play with 3 energys)how about the link gun chains? LINK GUN ABUSE?
You have no right to harass players in game about the style theY choose to play!!!

look at your medics ppm on game traker , i was there when you were using ewc on your med mp5,witch is why your ppm is 160+as med..i was also there when u were using vorp +22 with score on your am!! Amongst many other things i could say,, but ill refrain. THERE ARE ENOPH MONSTERS TO SHOOT NOMATTER WHAT WEAPS ARE BEING USED..IVE SEEN MANY TIMES 2 PLAYERS WITH OVER 10K IN SAME GAME.

The bottom line is that all should use the weapons they want and just have fun
its a vid game and its about fun .. all should play as they want as long as its within dw rules!!
who cares what style people choose to play!
the server is busy and many are having fun.. thats what counts!!

(i would also like to add,, i brought up this mp5 issue to alot of regulars and even some DW, and 100% so far agree that mp5 is op weap ... but it has become a big part of this game and a big part of the fun.
Frankys opinion is the minority.. DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME..as they say.....

The number of kills in itself mean nothing, it's the % of use between all weapon, but in general, i never pass over 250 out of to 800 kills (around 30%).

Let me demonstrate what I mean by showing you some BALANCED stats:
In those stats we can see that sometime the mp5 kills are slightly higher but it never pass 30% (varie from 25-30%) of the total numbers of kills. Other kills are also vastly separeted amongs multiple weapons.

Now lets compare all that to someone ABUSING the mp5:
When we do the math, we can clearly see that 92% of the kills are attributed to the mp5 while the last 8% are obtain with other weapon.

I don't have a screenshot of you in fortress of war but if I remember well you had 637 kills with the mp5 out of 650 sumting, (over 95%), witch was clearly an abuse. And in another map I saw you had 201 kills with the mp5 (witch of course is bellow 250 but...), but that was 201 out of 237 kills (over 90%.. tada) witch again clearly show it is an abuse. So like I said, the numbers itself mean nothing if you don't check the percentage.

So explain me Naha, what happend to the Naha that was saying the mp5 was too strong, that you hated that weapon humm? When you where agressively winning about Arucard with me and Mr Dick and whine flu and the way he was doing it was so wrong hummm? Now take a look at yourself, you wanted the thruth, well here it is: YOU HAD BECOME WHAT YOU HATED THE MOST. yep, corrupted you are now. You want to earn my respect again? you want me to share energy wepoan with you again? You want me to heal you when i'm on my medic? Well you know what to do for that, it's up to you my friend.

I don't "dictate" anything, this is my opinion and I will stick with it forever. Like you said Ant, everyonne here is free to play like they want. It can be teamplay or soloplay, helpfull or unconstructive, honorable or disgraceful, good or evil. Since this rule also apply to me, it also mean I'm free to appreciate or dislike players and/or behavior.

I want to be clear here, I'm not "harrassing" anyonne, Naha put it like I'm all over his head drowning him with negative comments everytime he show up in game witch IS NOT TRUE. If he want to play dirty then fine, but I want to make sure he understand that I wont help him anymore if he pursue in this direction.

"So explain me Naha, what happend to the Naha that was saying the mp5 was too strong, that you hated that weapon humm? When you where agressively winning about Arucard with me and Mr Dick and whine flu and the way he was doing it was so wrong hummm? Now take a look at yourself, you wanted the thruth, well here it is: YOU HAD BECOME WHAT YOU HATED THE MOST. yep, corrupted you are now. You want to earn my respect again? you want me to share energy wepoan with you again? You want me to heal you when i'm on my medic? Well you know what to do for that, it's up to you my friend."FrankytheFly

I dont want to hijack windigos thread anymore but 1 more post...
Ok i can explain..my prob with arucard at the time was that i was wm and he was am and he stopped talking/making weaps,
and yes, i never saw mp5 on ut before this server, and i hated it,i used sniper and lg and shock till i realized that mp5 is far more effective weapon for xp/score.. i cryed and cryed to have it removed or nerfed.
but soon i realized that its a big part of the server, and all should use what dw allows them to use(specing Darth Corky for hours helped change my mind)(jk. Hi mp5 master corky) So BASICLY .."IF YOU CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM" so i learned to love the game of mp5...I do understand your point franky about the % of weap use, but you cant force people to switch to lesser weaps when your giving them mp5.. At this point i can use any weap and/or switch to make the weap % to your liking.
but i choose to use mp5 excusivly on maps like fortress of war and such with the mp5 ammo.. its actually funner to do than too be unkillable in a globe/w energy weaps imo.

If anyone cares to lessen the mp5 power/so called abuse.
some suggestions from me and many others ive heard over the years (that seem to be very good), (if possible to code) would be
!. (make all mp5s non magic.. ecxept med mp5 stays same) mp5 needs no magic, its fine as regular
2. keep the majic but make mp5 overheat.(so there is a time in witch you are forced to use a diff weap)
3. remove mp5 ammo from all lockers! simple!

I dont want to fight with you anymore about this Franky.. you illustrated your point very well with the ss and %, i get it ..if you dont want to share energys or give me heals ect ect ..lol.. it will make no difference to me ..you barley do either of those things anyway.and yes i used the word harass, cause this is the second time youve brought it up in game while i was playing the first time you would not let me copy energy link unless i promised to "stop abusing mp5"(not cool)`~~~~ so anyway im done.. i think i made my point ..ill post again in 2 years ...lololol

NahasapeemapetiloN wrote:1. (make all mp5s non magic.. ecxept med mp5 stays same) mp5 needs no magic, its fine as regular
2. keep the majic but make mp5 overheat.(so there is a time in witch you are forced to use a diff weap)
3. remove mp5 ammo from all lockers! simple!

I don't agree with #1 and don't care for #2. #3 is ok but while you're at it, maybe the adren should also be toned down from a coding point of view. IMO that's a bigger problem on more maps than the few which have unlimited MP5 ammo. :sbigsmile:

NahasapeemapetiloN wrote:If anyone cares to lessen the mp5 power/so called abuse.
some suggestions from me and many others ive heard over the years (that seem to be very good), (if possible to code) would be
!. (make all mp5s non magic.. ecxept med mp5 stays same) mp5 needs no magic, its fine as regular

Maybe we can have an alternate solution from this point. Maybe we could prevent the mwm from rolling magic modifiers for the MP5 (treat it like a super weapon)!

Seven_of_69 wrote:IMO that's a bigger problem on more maps than the few which have unlimited MP5 ammo. :sbigsmile:

mp5 ammo(from lockers) are in more than just a few maps.
more maps have it than those that do not have it.

Since this thread is about weapon's balance I might has well write someting related to it.

I have to aggree with Corky, let's remove all mp5 ammo and locker in all maps, that will reduce the abuse and balance things up. But frankly I'm still concerned about the fact that players simply don't do this (abusing a single weapon) willingly. I just think restraining yourself doing that is like a form of respect.

I mean having to "force" players (like we did with the vorpal) to understand what respect is is like having to spank a kid for bad behavior. *sigh*, Why can't people just act like responsible adults for once? So lame...

One last thing:

"IF YOU CANT BEAT EM JOIN EM"

OMG That's so wrong! It means you let people influence you and took the decision for you. It's like a message from a sect: "JOIN THE LEADER", or "BECOME ONE OF US"... I mean ewwwwww. "IF YOU CAN'T BEAT EM FIND THE RIGHT WAY AND PROVE EM WRONG", that's the righ thing to do. I sincerly hope you will realise that someday Naha.

But still there is the problem that the mingun gives no xp :sangry: