Point loss???

[DW_Cheapshot]

thanks for that information Wail it explains a lot.

[Jon!]

ok getting the same, something around 0 to -20, on MMA>TitanHugger server 1. I can't play again 'till I can earn because I got just below lvl xp.

I can't understand what you are trying to say.

I mean I get the same negative stat error as OP. ~ -5 to -20 stat points

[DW_WailofSuicide]

ok getting the same, something around 0 to -20, on MMA>TitanHugger server 1. I can't play again 'till I can earn because I got just below lvl xp.

I can't understand what you are trying to say.

I mean I get the same negative stat error as OP. ~ -5 to -20 stat points

I don't have the server 1 data available to me, but I'm pretty confident if you actually add up the cost of all of your abilities you'll find that somehow you have managed to spend more points than you've earned through levelling.

[Jon!]

I don't think that is possible-- it doesnt let you buy past 0 SP, and I won't play if I'm having money taken from me for things that have been increased in price, so, one way or another it MUST be a bug or something unfair.

[DW_WailofSuicide]

I don't think that is possible

Right, I wouldn't normally think it is possible either, yet when you actually do the math it is possible for some reason. See the previous posts in this thread where I demonstrated this. But by all means, keep up with the conspiracy theory /entitlement complex attitude.

[Jon!]

lol, i was just wondering whether someone had decided to penalize us for abilities that change price for the worse. I'm NOT trying to be insulting or blame anyone for a conspiracy...

Still , could i have all the WM ability prices?

[Jon!]

AND I definitely didn't even try to buy anything that I couldn't afford. Bearing in mind I wouldn't forget because it's an almost brand-new account.

[Jon!]

Total = -80 points

So, even though he was actually at -80 points, the server was, prior to today when he reported this issue to me, telling him he had a balance of 0. I know that the server runs a check on player data and adjusts it appropriately after a server restart, so the fact that these issues show up is not that surprising to me. I know on my test server, for example, if I try to assign my level 25 test character 3000 stat points, it will reset them to 240 first.
What I don't know how it could allow players to buy more than they actually have to spend in the first place.

aaaghk I had not read everything thoroughly. NOW I AM CONFUSED. What changed? It stands to reason that after the update, we had LESS stat points than zero, zero being what we would have had provided we spent all our stat points. I also know the server NEVER allows a player to spend more stat than they have.

Anyone lost stat points on an MM? I only noticed neg points on TitanHugger, my WM, and I know that AMs also have resupply, so... Maybe something to do with the bug which allows peeps to buy Resupply at 0 ammobonus? I know i bought resupply at 10 ammobonus (I think) on Leroy and realised after it was a bug. I apologise for keeping resupply and not reporting... take it off/refund if you wish.

[DW_ACY]

aaaghk I had not read everything thoroughly. NOW I AM CONFUSED. What changed? It stands to reason that after the update, we had LESS stat points than zero, zero being what we would have had provided we spent all our stat points. I also know the server NEVER allows a player to spend more stat than they have.

Anyone lost stat points on an MM? I only noticed neg points on TitanHugger, my WM, and I know that AMs also have resupply, so... Maybe something to do with the bug which allows peeps to buy Resupply at 0 ammobonus? I know i bought resupply at 10 ammobonus (I think) on Leroy and realised after it was a bug. I apologise for keeping resupply and not reporting... take it off/refund if you wish.

Wail I think I know what the problem is! about 2 to 3 weeks ago resupply requirement of 50 ammo bonus was for some reason disabled. Many people then bought resupply without having the 50 sta points in Ammo bonus. There would have been many middle 40 to 50 players taking advantage of this on server 1 and 2. and many started new characters just to take advantage of the error. Now it is catching up too them and the complaints are rolling in.

Jon, you purchased an ability that had a requirement, that requirement was for some reason or another not operative for a period of time, so you are now playing with an ability you could not afford at your level. Think about it 50 ammo bonus + the levels of resupply you bought. That is were many of the people are having a deficit. If you had points being saved they were taken to accommodate the actual cost of the ability. If you are negative you still have the ability but you have to pay, work off the cost.

Your right the server would not let you spend more than you have but when the parameters for purchase were not the same then it changed how much you needed to get something. Now it is corrected. Your not being punished I had the same thing occur to my adren master and had to spend 70 levels getting back into positive territory.

We understand the shock of it but understand your using abilities that you should not have, instead of taking the ability from you the points are adjusted!

[DW_WailofSuicide]

aaaghk I had not read everything thoroughly. NOW I AM CONFUSED. What changed? It stands to reason that after the update, we had LESS stat points than zero, zero being what we would have had provided we spent all our stat points. I also know the server NEVER allows a player to spend more stat than they have.

Anyone lost stat points on an MM? I only noticed neg points on TitanHugger, my WM, and I know that AMs also have resupply, so... Maybe something to do with the bug which allows peeps to buy Resupply at 0 ammobonus? I know i bought resupply at 10 ammobonus (I think) on Leroy and realised after it was a bug. I apologise for keeping resupply and not reporting... take it off/refund if you wish.

Wail I think I know what the problem is! about 2 to 3 weeks ago resupply requirement of 50 ammo bonus was for some reason disabled. Many people then bought resupply without having the 50 sta points in Ammo bonus. There would have been many middle 40 to 50 players taking advantage of this on server 1 and 2. and many started new characters just to take advantage of the error. Now it is catching up too them and the complaints are rolling in.

Jon, you purchased an ability that had a requirement, that requirement was for some reason or another not operative for a period of time, so you are now playing with an ability you could not afford at your level. Think about it 50 ammo bonus + the levels of resupply you bought. That is were many of the people are having a deficit. If you had points being saved they were taken to accommodate the actual cost of the ability. If you are negative you still have the ability but you have to pay, work off the cost.

Your right the server would not let you spend more than you have but when the parameters for purchase were not the same then it changed how much you needed to get something. Now it is corrected. Your not being punished I had the same thing occur to my adren master and had to spend 70 levels getting back into positive territory.

We understand the shock of it but understand your using abilities that you should not have, instead of taking the ability from you the points are adjusted!

Yeah Acy, at first I thought that was the problem, but after looking at some of these characters who are reporting negative stats I am not convinced that explains the problem for everyone. The 50 Ammo Bonus requirement is also disabled in this current version (or should be - it's set up as a configurable option so that I don't have to make that call, but the default is no requirement), so that is a further strike against that theory.

If the issue were solely related to the Ammo Bonus issue, I think the highest negative points that we would be seeing would be -50, for people who had purchased Resupply but not fulfilled the Ammo Bonus prerequisite (ie, they purchased 0 Ammo Bonus). If you were a character who had a balance of zero points given all of your purchased abilities' cost, and then the server automatically purchased enough Ammo Bonus to meet the prerequisite you'd be at -50. In the couple of characters I've specifically broken down either way I'm seeing negative values even if you ignore the prerequisite. The two characters whose data I posted in this thread for example, neither met a 50 AB prerequisite, but if you assume the server is calculating that cost in their ability totals it'd put the first guy at -105 (he was reporting -80 to me) and the second guy at -130.